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jew(or not) 
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 Topic: The Holocaust isn't real?Posted: 11 Jul 2008 at 7:46pm |
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Anyone who believes that the Holocaust never happened is a dumbass.
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TruthSeeker
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Posted: 22 Jul 2008 at 10:49am |
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60 million people died in that war and to say that 54 million non Jew deaths don't count is more of an atrocity than to deny the holocaust.
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Posted: 22 Jul 2008 at 11:57am |
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I think I can confidently say that I'm in agreement. |
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jacobisrael
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 4:35am |
There are two problems here:
1) jews themselves, their OWN statistical sources, claim there were *exactly* 584,549 MORE jews after WWII than before.
2) Every single world almanac, church record, and religious estimate shows there were 264 million [not just 60 million] FEWER Christians in the world in 1948 than there would have been without WWII.
How can you disbelieve those sources? What sources do you have to PROVE them wrong? Why would you want to TRY to prove them wrong in the first place? When there were 10 to 264 dead Christians for every ONE dead jew--who gives a rat's .ss about dead jews? It's NONE of our business in the second place. And even IF there were that many dead jews--WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT in the third place:
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 7:49am |
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This isn't even worth arguing. How do you "lie" about 6 MILLION people. The only other major source of people that you would find in your agreement are Middle Eastern sumitts where the goal is to remove Israel's justification. Are you also saying that the documents and meeting for the "final solution" were also fabricated?
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 8:15am |
Have you even looked at photos of the concentration camps?
If you had, did you notice how vast they were with all the housing?
Why do you suppose if the people placed in those camps were targeted for extinction that they would have been sheltered from the elements, seeing that their days were limited anyway.
No one is disputing that Jews died in those camps, just the numbers.
The Germans, who were masters at documentation and sticklers for accuracy, those numbers don't add up.
And also seeing that they believed that they were winning the war, why would they have hid or destroyed those records?
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 12:20pm |
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A. There's a large difference between concentration camps and extermination camps. Concntration camps were mainly used for work, not killing.
B. The Wannsee Conference wasn't completely known until the documentation was found from Adolph Eichmann's records(I may have the person wrong). Those at the conference were infact instructed to destroy their documentation. By the time of the final solution, most knew that the war was being lost especially after the nazis lost an entire army(minus 1 soldier) at Stalingrad.
C. In terms of wrong numbers, perhapts 6 million isn't exactly correct, but never the less, even the nazis hadn't denied it existed Nuremburg trials.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 at 12:47pm |
A. Atrocities happen in every war.
The government can't control every soldier or even commander for that matter.
Even in Iraq, mistreatment has been made known of and that is because of the media coverage and liberalism of some soldiers who broke the case.
I'm sure that there are things happening that we haven't even heard of.
So imagine you take a group of civilians and train them to kill and to do it with proficiency.
Things are bound to get out of control.
In 90% of the photos the survivors are shown to be emaciated.
Starvation was the biggest killer of those in the camps.
When given a choice of feeding your army or feeding your prisoners, who would you choose?
B. You are not a very good student of your teachers if your facts are not correct.
And when on trial everyone and anyone was admitting to anything and everything thinking it would save their lives.
C. In most European countries to even remotely agree that the numbers are not accurate could land you in jail with those same people you have a dislike for.
As said before, terrible things happened but why is it you only know how many Jews died in WWII?
How many Poles? How many Russians? How many Germans? How many British? How many Americans? And so on.
Are their lives less significant?
Why is the holocaust for the Jews and no one else?
Are their lives of more value than my relatives that died or any one else's?
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 2:53pm |
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I do agree with much of your statement, though, although I'm not sure about the statistic of starvation, but I do know that much of the was infact starvation, but when you forcfully put individuals into a situation where it is known that many will die of conditions purposely provided, how is that an excuse? You have said that I'm not a very good student. I'm confused mostely because much of what I learn isn't necessaraly from my teachers. Inform me of what information I provided isn't correct?
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Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 3:43am |
When America was in the war with Japan, the government imprisoned the Japanese Americans in containment camps for fear that some would be loyal to the enemy of America.
In the beginning of WWII the Jews declared war on Germany, obviously not with weapons but through financial ruin.
When the Nazi party took over the government they seized those Jewish banks and financial institutions and removed the Jews from positions of importance.
The Jews in Germany were then rounded up and placed on ships and deported out of Germany.
Those ships were rejected by every port that they encountered and they returned to Germany.
What was the Nazi controlled government supposed to do with those dissidents?
As in America, they couldn't very well let them run free.
This was the reason for the forceful containment in the beginning.
As far as you being a good student, your teachers are who you chose to learn from.
As when you enter college you pick the subjects you want to study.
I was told years ago that there are three, not two sides to every story.
Theirs, and theirs and the truth.
Find out why what is said and who is saying it and does that person have anything to gain from saying it.
Back to the statistics of starvation. Use the eyes and common sense that God or in you case nature has given you.
90% of the photographs of the concentration camp prisoners showed emaciated bodies, whether deceased or alive the bodies were emaciated.
If these people were targeted for the sole purpose of extermination, why would their captors choose the long drawn out method of starvation?
Now you might be thinking about "gas" chambers and ovens.
How would it have been beneficial to starve those people first?
And I hope your not forgetting that not only Jews were in those camps, and when you have as in any situation mass deaths, in order to avoid disease from the corpses you have to dispose of them immediately.
I believe that when the undertaking of the situation got going that it was highly underestimated how vast the operation would be.
Just as in any war, present war included, unforeseen situations arise.
Wasn't it 60 days into the Iraq war that Pres.Bush declared victory?
And now their talking about 100 years war.
War is hell. People die. Unfortunately you and I don't have a say in the matter.
Guns don't kill people, governments do.
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