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    Posted: 11 May 2008 at 9:38am
There is no forum for "general conversation" or for "newbies" so:

I am new here and would like to ask  a question  (or 2)...
Why  do I get just a link to this site when I try to look anything up for Pastor Earl F. Jones?  Why does most of his writings appear here under Willie Martin Studies?  Why does it "appear" that Pastor Jones writings are being shown as being that of Willie Martin...oh there is always the "most" or "in part" taken from the writings of Pastor Earl Jones that appears on the page, but it appears to be all Pastor Jones and 0 Willie Martin. 

What is this site suppose to be anyway...or shall I say what is it about?  Although it is titled "The Christian Party" it seems anything but Christian.  It seems more like you are making fun of and putting down people like Pastor Jones and Christianity. 


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Originally posted by inquisitive

There is no forum for "general conversation" or for "newbies" so:

I am new here and would like to ask  a question  (or 2)...
Why  do I get just a link to this site when I try to look anything up for Pastor Earl F. Jones?  Why does most of his writings appear here under Willie Martin Studies?  Why does it "appear" that Pastor Jones writings are being shown as being that of Willie Martin...oh there is always the "most" or "in part" taken from the writings of Pastor Earl Jones that appears on the page, but it appears to be all Pastor Jones and 0 Willie Martin. 

What is this site suppose to be anyway...or shall I say what is it about?  Although it is titled "The Christian Party" it seems anything but Christian.  It seems more like you are making fun of and putting down people like Pastor Jones and Christianity. 


 
That's an interesting point about Pastor Jones.  I don't even know who he is, so we certainly aren't trying to make fun of him.  Willie Martin was the favorite author of many of us, which is why his writings are hosted on this site, as well as many others.  Because of that, jews have managed to shut us down more than 50 times, which seems to be all the more reason to continue to host his works.
 
We will add a topic for general discussion, so thanks for suggesting it.
 
Because of the heavy jewish influence in this country, it's getting more and more difficult to define or understand exactly what a Christian is, so why don't you provide your definition so we can answer your question correctly.  One of the fundamental tenets of both Christianity and our Constitution is the right, no, duty, to criticize those who HATE Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, with jews being on the top of the heap.  Conversely, this provision was never intended to give jews unbridled "rights" to insult Him as they do.
 
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Well, I am not good at explaining things, but I will try.   First, I had never heard of Willie Martin until I started to look for some of Pastor Jones work on line.  From  the mid 80's to  Pastor Jones death I got his news letters and tape ministries (on an irregular basis).  For several years after his death I could  still find his Intelegence News letters and tapes online, until this last year or so and now the only way I can find him is to go to this sight under Willie Martin to find anything writen by Pastor Jones.   Please note [before I go further] I do not keep up with what is "politically correct" or what is not....to much to cope with and too contradictory most of the time.   But the best I can explain, Pastor Jones was of the Christian Identiy movement and a very excelent historian.    Some of the early Pastor's / speakers were Pastor Jones,  Pastor Sheldon Emery,  Capt Raymond  Capt, Jack Mohr and others.    You can still see  Pastor Emery's stuff at www.pastorsheldonemerylibrary.com  Such a tribute to Pastor Jones would be wonderful, instead of having to find his work under anothers authorship.
To the comment of "being shut down more than 50 times by the jews."  Not all Jews are jews by faith but are jews by nationality only.  There are the jews of the bible that turned their back on Christ and do not accept Him and consequently do not believe in the new testement.    Those "jews" are wrong, all down through history.  There are Jews and non jews a like that want a "one world government"  and are anti christ prone.  They too are wrong.  But they are not all "Jews".  I do not, and I strongly say...I do not believe in Judao-Christianity.    "You can be so right that you are dead wrong" is a statement I have heard a lot in my life.  Which is so true, in many aspects.  In this case one can fight for Our Lord and wind up being just as bad if not worse than the so called "jew" or any Judao-Christian.  It is true that  I do not approve of the Judao Christian faith either.  If it isn't in the Bible and can not be proven 100% that it is a teaching of Our Lord, then you [anyone] are cordially invited to to the theological place of eternal punishment.   If one can show me where Christ taught his followers by such things hate, name calling, violence and other such things, I would be right there.  It seems there are a lot of people wanting to take the same  provision as they accuse the "jew" of doing and all you get is a cituation of [the best I can explain] a child's game, who can sling out the worst words and who can sling them out the fastest. I think more prayer needs to be involved and things done in Christ way, than with the quick word sling, name calling game.  And if one is a true Christian they will have no objection to prayer in their life.  Our main objective as Christian is to follow His way, not our own.  To follow His way to such an extent that we become living examples to non believers and encourage them to follow HIM, not to hender their acceptance in any way.  When we hender we have to answer to the Lord for that ourselves, no one else does, not the jews, or anyone else.  That comes first before all else, I see no where a battle of name calling and abusive language gets anyone anywhere on any subject.   Once one finds the "truth" follow it and in a diplomatic-christian way let everyone else know that it is their choice and if they don't they are cordially invited to the theological place of eternal punishment, but you [us] are not going to follow along with them.
What I was going to say about the "jews have managed to shut us down more than 50 times, which seems to be all the more reason to continue to host his works" statement:  I imagine people shut sites down all the time for all kinds of reasons but to use that as a basis to keep someone's writings....na...Martin's writings could be of the other side...but again so could yours.    I would be of making sure of his writings, where they are from, really why, what does he really believe, etc....not just that he was the cause of your  site being shut down on quite a few occassions.  That is no logical explanation.
Well, got supper to take care of, I will check back later.

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  Quote jacobisrael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2008 at 7:51am
Well, permit me to elaborate.  Willie knew jews are not Israelites, but instead are Edomites, a fact which they HATED him  for spreading.  I heard jews threaten his LIFE and he continued on.  We cannot prove it, but most who know him believe the jews murdered him.  And of course they'll get away with it just as they got away with murdering Jesus.
 
I never heard him mention Pastor Jones, but he did talk a lot about Frank Wright--he was a prodigious reader as well as writer, so much of what he wrote were direct quotes from them.
 
I'll leave you here with a few quotes.  Can you tell me who I'm quoting?
 
"you brood of vipers", they will be "thrown into the fire", "hypocrites!", "babbling like pagans", "wicked", "adulterous", "Ninevah will ... condemn [you]", "you break the command of God", "teachings are but rules taught by men", "will be pulled up by the roots", "blind guides", "blind man", "guard against ... the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees",

"you yourself do not enter ... the kingdom of   heaven", "blind fools", "blind men", "Blind Pharisee", "you are like whitewashed tombs", "you are the children of those who murdered the prophets", "you snakes", "condemned to hell",  "Pharisees ... rejected God's purpose for themselves", "you foolish people",

"you are like unmarked graves", "you build tombs for the prophets, yet it was your forefathers who killed them", "will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world", "whom you slew between the temple and the altar",

"you are not of my sheep", "you are of your father the devil", "a murderer from the beginning", "liar and the father of lies", "break the command of God for the sake of your tradition", "if God were your father, you would love me".

 
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As I told you before I am not good at explaining things....and I am afraid I did a lousy job at it again.  I will not try to explain any further...If your friend is dead as you seem to indicate I am very sorry to hear that.

You might, though, find it more to your advantage to read the part of the Bible that is positive and not relying on anything negative you can find and running with it.  Honey catches more flies than vinegar.  Following "all" of His teachings is much better than just picking out what ya want.  And with that I bid you good night and good luck.


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  Quote admin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2008 at 5:16am
Originally posted by inquisitive

As I told you before I am not good at explaining things....and I am afraid I did a lousy job at it again.  I will not try to explain any further...If your friend is dead as you seem to indicate I am very sorry to hear that.

You might, though, find it more to your advantage to read the part of the Bible that is positive and not relying on anything negative you can find and running with it.  Honey catches more flies than vinegar.  Following "all" of His teachings is much better than just picking out what ya want.  And with that I bid you good night and good luck.


 
 
If you REALLY believe that following all "of His teachings is much better than just picking out what ya want", as you counsel us to, I would think you could not possibly ignore the above excerpts from Scripture.
 
Let's be honest here.  Jesus HATED the jews, just as the jews HATED Him, just as the jews HATE Him today, just as His Father HATES their patriarch, Esau:
 

Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for jackals, Malachai 1:3

As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau," Romans 9:13

This is Scripture.  This is REAL Scripture.  This isn't a jew whitewash of some paraphrased mis-translation quoting the guy on the bus who heard it from the driver of the yellow VW parked by the fire hydrant, this is what the Holy Bible ACTUALLY says.
 
If Pastor Jones doesn't know this, or hasn't told you this, or preaches anything contrary, he's messing with the Word of God in a way that I sure would not want to be caught dead doing:
 
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you, Deuteronomy 4:2
 
 
 
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INQUISITIVE,
 
"To follow His way to such an extent that we become living examples to non believers and encourage them to follow HIM, not to hender their acceptance in any way.  When we hender we have to answer to the Lord for that ourselves, no one else does, not the jews, or anyone else.  That comes first before all else, I see no where a battle of name calling and abusive language gets anyone anywhere on any subject."
 
Not everyone can be a "believer".  The message is not to everyone.  Israyl's continually letting down the guard has brought the problems we speak of on us.  This cannot, and will not continue.  A remnant are awaking little by little and we as a unit will no longer stand idly by as the race the message is to becomes bastardized for lack of attention.
 
Consider this, since you mention following HIS WORDS AND WAYS TO THE JOT AND TITTLE:

"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD;..." Deut. 23:2

Now, this passage provides a couple of points to consider in this warfare.  Obviously, just by the translation above reveals not just anyone can have the blessings of following HIM.  If Pastor Jones wrote the literature attributed to Willie Martin on this site, (perhaps he did, I don't know) or they even had similar views, I can assure you, I know you would know what I mean regarding this passage, for "bastard" is so very non-descriptive of what is being spoken of it is not even funny, but disasterous.  No MONGRELS are allowed in the congregation of Yahweh.
 
Needless to say, this is enough to keep some busy for a while, as the "let's just get along" mindset is chipped away at with such a passage.  But, as you say, let us follow explicitly the Master Yahshua's directives!!
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 
Lots of people claiming to follow his teachings have no idea what those teachings are because they have been deceived, blinded, and given a strong religious delusion for loving a way of unrighteousness....."let's just get along with everyone".
 
WE ARE AT WAR YOU DAMNED TRAITOR!!
AS PHINEHAS OF OLD RECEIVED A SPECIAL COVENANT FROM YAHWEH KILLING A DAMNED TRAITOR ISRAYLITE AND MIDIANITE, I SAY I AM AT THE POINT WERE I MAY SOON BE SEEKING THE SAME!!!
Stinking damned religious reprobate race traitor!
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  Quote jacobisrael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 8:04am
Exactly.
 
When the KJV translated "mamzer" as "bastard" it was actually an accurate translation because "bastard" did not mean "offspring of unmarried parents", it meant offspring of MIXED RACE PARENTS.  It had this same meaning right through the 1920's when the jews bought all our publishing and actually CHANGED the definition.  This of course did NOT change God's Law:
 
 
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When the time comes, which may be TOMORROW, it's not only the mamzers who must be put away, it's ALL those who don't follow Jesus, and this means even fellow Israelite brethren, particularly Catholics:
 
 

But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person, 1 Corinthians 5:13

"Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor", Leviticus 19:15

"Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it", Deuteronomy 1:17

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14

"Now we command you, brethren, on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us", 2 Thessalonians 3:6

 
Clearly the "pope" HATES Paul for reminding us of that simple fact!
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  Quote PILGRIM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2008 at 6:51pm
If Inquisitive has been following Pastor Earl Jones for years, as claimed, it seems he or she may not know his teachings as well as he/she thinks.

I have not read any works by Pastor Jones, but Pastor Pete Peters has said that Pastor Earl Jones was a very close friend of his for many years, as was Col. Jack Mohr.  I know that Pastor Peters and Col. Mohr would both be pretty much in agreement with statements that the other posters above have made.   Pastor Jones and Pastor Peters have worked closely together in years past in ministry works and I doubt that would have occurred if they were doctrinely so different.

 I think Inquisitive may have originally come from a background of "judeo-christianity" or has been in some degree influenced by its false teachings because of its unfortunate modern dominance in our "culture" and that influence has warped what he/she has been willing or able to understand.  He/she clearly does not know who or what the "jew" is and has a very incomplete picture and understanding of scripture.   It would also appear that he/she may not really understand who Israel is or even  that Jesus came to seek and to save a limited group of people.

 

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